No. 1

Q. Would you kindly send me any information concerning a COMMEMORATIVE DESERT STORM BERETTA 92 FS model ESPECIALLY, NUMBER OF EDITION MADE, PRICE, AVAILABILITY, etc. Thank you for your time and consideration. (9/17/1998)

A. You place me a question much difficult one, especially for me who live in Italy, where have not been commercialized the models to which you refer. I answer to you what I know. I do not have sure news of a model " COMMEMORATIVE DESERT STORM BERETTA 92FS ". I know instead that the Beretta USA has commercialized, only in the USA, in 1995, one " M9 Special Edition " "America' s Defender ". This model has been commercialized in the tenth year from the adoption of the gun 92 FS (M9) from the USA army. The " M9 Special Edition " is constituted from one 92 FS standard; it is distinguished for the written ones in gold brought back on the slide: " America' s Defender " "Beretta M9-92FS cal. 9mm parabellum" " The First Decade 1985-1995 " and badges " U.S. Army " " U.S. Navy " " U.S. Air Force " " U.S. Marine Corps ". The number of the exemplary is limited and the serial number is characterized from suffix " M9 ". Of this arm the version " De Luxe " exists also, polished blued version with grips in walnut and golden particular.


No. 2

Q. I'm looking for whatever information I can get on a Beretta M-318 pistol I bought recently. It's in mint condition, made in 1942. Can you tell me anything about it, or can you direct me to a site that can? Thanks. (9/20/1998)

A. The Beretta pistol model 318 is one semi-automatic pistol cal. 6.35 Browning (25 ACP). This model makes part of one series of models. The first model has been constructed in 1920. The last model has been produced until 1961 and sold until to 1965. Every model differs from previous for some modification or improvement. The passage from a model to the other happens in the respect of the conception original of the arm.
Model 318 was constructed in 1935. It differs from the previous model why the handle is not straight but lightly curved. In other words the handle is wider low and smaller in the advanced part. On the slide the relative written ones to the fascist era appear. As an example " GARDONE V.T. 1936-XIV " .
Differs from successive model (418) for the lack of the warning of cocked firing pin. The warning of cocked firing pin is realized through the posterior part of the firing pin that go out from the posterior part of the slide.
In model 318 the front sight is longer and rounded.
In model 418 the front sight is shorter and sharpened.
Model 318 was produced from 1935 to 1937. Production: approximately 5000 pieces. Serial numbers : from 609000 to 615000 approximately.
If the arm in your possession has been produced in 1942 it would have to be a model 418.
You must control the serial number, that it would have to be advanced to 615000.
You must control the warning of cocked firing pin, that it would have to be present.
(the warning of cocked firing pin can handicraft have been constructed also on previous models).
You must control the shape of the front sight.
To possess an ancient Beretta gun in mint conditions is always pleasant.


No. 3

Q. I am interested in having a Beretta model 84F cal. 380 auto, I saw this model in an arms magazine in Mexico, how can I do for buying one ( new ) of this ? I'm Mexican, I live in Mexico. (9/28/1998)

A. For having a gun it is important to know the law of the state in which one lives. The laws change from state to state. If I buy a gun in one foreign state I must respect the laws of the state where I buy the gun and those of the state where I live. I must respect therefore two laws of two various countries. It is opportune for this reason to buy the arm in the state in which one resides.
Therefore you would have:
- to be in rule with the Mexican laws in order to possess an arm;
- to be sure that to possess this model of gun it is concurred from the Mexican laws;
- to buy the gun in an armory in Mexico.
If you do not succeed to find this gun in a Mexican armory you can try to buy the arm:
- in a store situated in U.S.A. ;
- in a store situated in Italy .
In order to buy an arm in a store situated in U.S.A it is necessary to obtain the " Federal Firearms License " (FFL).
In order to buy an arm in a store situated in Italy it is necessary to obtain an " License to the definitive export of the arm ".
These documents would have to be demands from the armory that sells the arm. Probably the sale can be carried out for correspondence.
In any case, when the arm arrives in Mexico, there will be the problem to obtain the documentation previewed from the Mexican law. In any case the documents to obtain are numerous and for this reason It can be convenient to order the gun through a Mexican armory.
You have chosen one optimal gun. Currently 84 FS Cheetah come sold the model. Remembered that 85 (83 in Italy) FS Cheetah cal. 380 auto exists also the model. This model is flatter of the previous one, in how it uses a single row magazine.


No. 4

Q. Possiedo, ormai da un certo tempo, una pistola Beretta modello 35. La finitura non è lucida, ma opaca; la matricola è 580xxx, l'arma è in ottime condizioni. Vorrei sapere qualche notizia su questa arma e quanto può valere. (29/10/1998)

A. Per dare una risposta sicura a questa domanda occorrerebbe sapere qualche informazione in più, ad esempio il tipo delle scritte e dei punzoni presenti sull'arma stessa (ammesso che ve ne siano).
Comunque la matricola ed il tipo di finitura fanno presumere che l'arma sia stata fabbricata nel novembre-dicembre del 1944 quando la fabbrica Beretta, che si trovava nel territorio della Repubblica Sociale Italiana, produceva armi quasi esclusivamente per l'Esercito Tedesco.
Quindi, molto probabilmente, nella parte posteriore del fusto, nella zona adiacente la parte superiore delle guancette, vi dovrebbe essere impresso un ovale con all'interno i caratteri " 4 UT ". Questo è il punzone del "Quarto Ufficio Tecnico" che, in quel periodo, effettuava il controllo delle armi destinate all'Esercito Tedesco.
La presenza di questo punzone, che indica in modo certo la storia dell'arma, fa sì che la stessa sia abbastanza ricercata nel mercato collezionistico.
Se l'arma è realmente in condizioni ottime, può avere una quotazione commerciale intorno alle 700.000 / 800.000 lire (se ad acquistarla è un intenditore di pistole Beretta).
Se poi sull'arma vi fosse anche un qualche punzone di controllo Tedesco (ad esempio un WaffenAmt), ma questa è una cosa estremamente rara, il valore dell'arma aumenterebbe notevolmente.


No. 5

Q. Would you know what the history of the Beretta proofmarks is - or where I can find out such information.
Regards (10/31/1998)

A. The question that you place to me would demand an answer much long one.
This is an argument that could be sufficient in order to fill up an entire book.
I hope that my answer is exhausting, even if necessarily has to be short.
My answer is limited to the Beretta pistols.
Generally the word "proofmarks" indicates the marks punched by the proofhouse.
Generally the word "proofhouse" indicates the civil proofhouse.
The proofhouse is the office that carries out the efficiency and quality control of the guns destined to the civil market.
For this reason it must be made a distinction between the punchs of the civil proofhouse and the marks punched by the military arsenals.
Normally the presence of the punchs of the proofhouse excludes the presence of the military punchs, because a gun is destined alternatively to the civil market or the military market.
In some cases a lot of guns constructed for the civil market has been then destined to the military market. In this case on the pistol there are military punchs placed side by side or superimposed on those of the proofhouse.
Still rarer it is the case of guns destined to the military market and then sended to the civil market. In this case the marks of the proofhouse are placed side by side or are superimposed on military punchs.
More frequent it is the case of a military arm on which they have been punched marks of the proofhouse in current age, for being sold.
Normally, on the Beretta guns they are punched the marks of the Italian proofhouse.
The Italian proofhouse was made with a Royal Decree in year 1910 and entered in function in 1920. The offices were two: an office in the city of Brescia (this office worked until 1930) and an office in the city of Gardone Val Trompia (this office still works).
For this reason on the Beretta guns produced before the year 1920 (models 1915 and 1917) we do not find marks of the proofhouse.
On the Beretta guns produced for the civil market from 1920 until to 1928 we find the punch of the Brescia proofhouse. (This punch is constituted from a rampant lion inserted in a circle and surmounted from a crown). In particular the punch of the Brescia proofhouse is found on models 1922, 1923 and on the model cal. 6.35 (25 auto) patent 1919. In this last gun the punch of Brescia is found in the pistols produced in the years from 1920 to 1928.
On the Beretta guns destined to the civil market and produced from 1929 until to our days, the punchs are found of the proofhouse of Gardone Val Trompia. The punch of the Gardone Val Trompia proofhouse it is constituted from two crossed rifles designed with to an anvil and a hammer. This mark is surmounted from a crown. This mark is placed side by side from the written " P.S.F. " (Polvere Senza Fumo = smokeless powder) and from the year in which the arm has been subordinate to the proofhouse. The written P.S.F. is surmounted from a crown too.
After the end of the second World war, and with the beginning of the Republic, the crown has been removed and to its place it has been inserted the star, symbol of the Italian Republic. From 1960 the year of the test is not indicated in way extended, but codified in numbers Roman (until 1975) or with two alphabetical letters (until today).
During the second World war, on some pistols, newly appears punch of the Brescia proofhouse (probably old punchs were used because the new ones lacked because of the restrictions of the war).
On a Beretta gun I have seen the punchs of the proofhouse of Liegi (Belgium): who can know the history of this arm?
On some guns I have seen the marks of the proofhouse of Birmingham (England), but I think that these marks have been punched in current age, for commercial reasons.
On the pistols destined to the Italian military units and the police forces we can find:
- punchs of the military inspector who has carried out the control of supply (IF, PS, PM, BP, DR, AB, BF, MR, FB, TP and so on);
- alphabetical punchs that identifies the arm as " military " (RE=Regio Esercito= Royal Army, RM=Regia Marina=Royal Navy, FAG=Fabbrica Armi Gardone=Gardone Guns Factory, FAET=Fabbrica Armi Esercito Terni=Terni Army Guns Factory, PS=Pubblica Sicurezza=Police, and others);
- punchs containing a symbol that identifies the arm as "military" (eagle=air force, anchor=navy and others);
- punchs that indicate the repair of the arm by arsenal;
- punchs that identify some special supplies (4 UT=arms produced during the second World war for the German army, SA=armi produced for the Finnish army, and others);
- in little cases some punchs special like " WaffenAmt " and others marks punched directly from the inspectors of the German army in the course of the second World war.



No. 6

Q. I am doing some research on the .25 ACP Beretta 950, as made around the 1950's - before Beretta USA started manufacturing them. I have looked around and can find little information on the 950. Most information on Berettas are on the 9mm, etc.
I wonder if you are able to help me with the following questions.
1. Would the slide marking of an Italian made 950 made around the 1950's be "P. Beretta-cal.25-Brev.950" ?
2. What would the serial number range likely to be?
3. Where would the serial no. and proofmark be located?
4. Where can I find field stripping and exploded diagrams information on the 950? If you have diagrams/pictures are you able to supply a copy to me? I have got in touch with a local distributor of Beretta and they don't have such information.
5. Are you able to supply a scan/picture/or hand drawing of the Gardone Val Trompia proofmark that would appear on a 1950 Beretta 950?
6. What types of Beretta 0.25ACP's models would have been made around the 1950's? Is the Beretta 950 the only .25cal model made around this time? (Did the Jetfire name only came in existance when the Americans started manufacturing?)
I am sorry if these questions are troublesome in detail but I can't find much information on the smaller calibre Berettas nowadays. Everybody seems interested in the bigger calibres. I hope you are able to supply some answers to my questions. (11/05/1998)

A. 1. The slide marking of an Italian made 950 made around the 1950's that I observed are : " Beretta Brev. 950 - 6,35 " (example #1). On the oter hand the slide marking that I observed on a Brev.950 cal. 22 short are : "P.Beretta -cal.22 corto - Brev. 950" (example #2) . For this reason, it is possible that on the guns made for the American market the slide marking differs and the caliber could have been written like " cal. 25 ", and not " 6,35 ".
You must also consider that Beretta often changes some details also today but still more around the 1950's.
2. The serial number would have to be xxxxxB (example #1).
3. The serial number would have to be located on frames's right side, above the trigger. Proofmark would have to be located on the left side of the frame, near the hammer pin.
6. Around the 1950's there was two Beretta pistols cal. 25 ACP :
- patent 1919 model 418 cal. 25 ACP
- patent (model) 950 cal. 25 ACP
and at the end of the 1950's - beginning of the 1960's
- model 20 cal. 25 ACP (double action)
I think that the Jetfire name came in existance when the Beretta USA Corporation started to produce the 950BS pistols.
Some examples of Beretta model 950 pistols:
#1.
Manufacturing year : 1953
Serial number : 59523B
Serial number's position : frames's right side
Slide marking (left side) : Beretta Brev. 950 - 6,35
Slide marking (right side) : MADE IN ITALY
Proofmarks : rear left side of the frame
#2.
Manufacturing year : 1955
Serial number : 60881CC
Serial number's position : frames's right side
Slide marking (left side) : P.Beretta -cal.22 corto - Brev. 950
Slide marking (right side) : MADE IN ITALY
Proofmarks : rear left side of the frame
#3.
Manufacturing year : 1965
Serial number : B73657
Serial number's position : frames's right side
Slide marking (left side) : P. BERETTA - Mod. 950 B - Cal 6.35
Slide marking (right side) : MADE IN ITALY
Proofmarks : rear left side of the frame
#4.
Manufacturing year : 1990
Serial number : A32053V
Serial number's position : frames's left side
Slide marking (left side) : P. BERETTA - Mod. 950 B - Cal 6.35
Slide marking (right side) : P B. - MADE in ITALY
Proofmarks : front right side of the frame



No. 7

Q. need info on model 1919 beretta, 25cal. semi-auto pistol. parts availability,etc. can you help? (11/05/1998)

A. The Beretta pistol model 1919, or better patent 1919, is a semi-automatic pistol cal. 6.35 Browning (25 ACP).
The firing system is constituted from a flying firing pin.
The barrel is 60 mm long, the weight of the arm with empty magazine is about 350 g.
There are many models of this gun. The first model has been constructed in 1920. The last model has been produced until 1961 and sold until to 1965. Every model differs from previous for some modification or improvement. The passage from a model to the other happens in the respect of the conception original of the arm.
Patent 1919 model 1920 was constructed from year 1920 to year 1925 and is the first model of the series (serial numbers from 100000 to around 155000). The first version had wooden grips, the next version had metallic grips and a grip-safety.
Patent 1919 model 1926 was constructed from year 1926 to year 1931 (serial numbers from around 155000 to around 187000). It differs from the previous model why the disconnector is moved from the slide and is no longer slip-off type.
Patent 1919 model 1931 was constructed from year 1931 to year 1933 (serial numbers from around 187000 to around 198000). It differs from the previous model why the grips were no longer made of metal but they were made of steel-backed synthetic material (filbak).
Patent 1919 model 1933 was constructed during the year 1933 (serial numbers from around 198000 to 199999 and from 600000 to around 601000). The pistols of this model have the grips with PB monogram carried out on a metallic plate placed on the bottom part of the grips. The front of the slide is tapered and the front sight has a different shape from that one of the previous models.
Patent 1919 model 1934 was constructed from year 1934 to year 1935 (serial numbers from around 603000 to around 608000). It differs from the previous model why the grips have a different shape : the metallic plate is missing and the monogram PB is carried out on synthetic material (filbak).
Patent 1919 model 318 was constructed from year 1935 to year 1937 (serial numbers from around 609000 to around 615000) . It differs from the previous model why the handle is not straight but lightly curved. In other words the handle is wider low and smaller in the advanced part.
Patent 1919 model 418 was constructed from year 1937 to year 1961. In particular:
from year 1937 to year 1947 serial numbers from 615000 to 660000;
from year 1947 to year 1954 serial numbers from 10000A to 99999A;
from year 1954 to year 1961 serial numbers from 00001C to 50000C;
The greater difference from the previous model is the presence of the warning of cocked firing pin. The warning of cocked firing pin is realized through the posterior part of the firing pin that go out from the posterior part of the slide. The front sight is shorter and sharpened.
In this model the exemplary with the frame in alloy are frequent. In the last pistols the slide serrations are inclined and the grip-safety is of synthetic material.
In all the models are present guns with special finishes (engraved, gold plated, silver plated).
This arm is not in compliance with the current standards of safety because the firing system constituted from a flying firing pin is unstable and dangerous.
For this reason the arm has value today only for the collectors.
Therefore it is much difficult one to find replacement parts.
As far as American market I think that the only possibility is to try through INTERNET.
As far as Italian market I think that to find replacement parts for this arm is practically impossible.
If I had a gun of this model to repair I would make in this way:
- small pieces: they can be made from a good craftsman, equipped of the necessary equipment.
- larger pieces: taken from an other arm of the same model, arm used like warehouse of replacement parts.
I hope that my answer is useful to you.


No. 8

Q. Soy fans de PIETRO BERETTA, Y ME GUSTARÍA SABER QUE SIGNIFICA LA LETRA QUE LLEVAN ADELANTE DE LA NUMERACIÓN?? MI PISTOLA SEMIAUTO SIMPLE ACTION .22 LR TIENE UNA LETRA "M" Y NO FIGURA EL MODELO. SE PUEDE SABER QUE MODELO ES?? LAS PISTOLAS MOD 70 , 7,65 QUE LETRA LLEVAN ADELANTE DE LA NUMERACIÓN ?? QUE OTRA CARACTERISTICA TENIAN PARA PODER SABER SI ES ORIGINAL?? (11/11/1998)

A. La matricola riportata su una pistola Beretta può essere:
- solo numeri; ad esempio 10921, 412325, 896772.
- una lettera che precede dei numeri; ad esempio F12431, G22543, M15211.
- una lettera, dei numeri e poi un'altra lettera; ad esempio B03880W, E22022P, A17800X.
- dei numeri seguiti da due lettere; ad esempio 008821MC, 4527AA, 4356BB.
La Beretta USA adotta ancora altri sistemi di numerazione.
Io penso che le lettere che accompagnano i numeri servono principalmente alla fabbrica Beretta per contraddistinguere determinati lotti di armi prodotte.
In altre parole un determinato modello di pistola avrà la matricola contraddistinta da una determinata lettera.
Ma non è certo una regola rigida. Ho visto su modelli diversi lo stesso tipo di matricola. Ho visto anche all'interno di uno stesso modello di pistola tipi di matricole differenti.
A volte sembra che la lettera sia in relazione con il calibro. Ma anche in questo caso si possono trovare delle regole valide solo per un certo periodo, e con possibili eccezioni.
In conclusione ritengo che la lettera riportata nella matricola di una pistola Beretta non abbia un significato ben preciso; si può solo dire che, di regola, un certo tipo di matricola contraddistingue un certo modello di pistola e così via.
La tua pistola semiautomatica, a semplice azione, calibro 22 L.R. , priva del modello, per il fatto di aver una matricola del tipo Mxxxxx, potrebbe essere una Beretta "SERIE 70" in calibro 22 L.R. e più precisamente potrebbe essere una modello 71, oppure 72, oppure 73, oppure 74, oppure 75, oppure76.
Per quanto riguarda la Modello 70, in calibro 7,65 Browning, i tipi di matricola che conosco sono:
solo numeri (xxxxx), la lettera "L" più numeri (Lxxxxx), la lettera "B" più numeri più la lettera W (BxxxxxW), ma questo elenco è sicuramente incompleto. (Si noti: nel caso delle pistole Beretta della serie 70 e della serie 80 la lettera finale "W" dovrebbe indicare il calibro 7,65 Browning).


No. 9

Q. I have a 32 cal beretta auto pistol. my dad carried it in ww2. gardone v.t. is on slide. can you tell me approx value , model etc thanks. (11/11/1998)

A. You have given truly little information to me on your gun.
If I have understood your gun is:
- a Beretta pistol;
- a semi-automatic pistol;
- a 32 caliber pistol;
- a pistol used during the second world war;
- a pistol with the written " Gardone V.T. " on the slide.
I think that your gun would have to be a Beretta pistol model 35.
This arm has been one of the more famous and more diffuse models of the Beretta guns. This pistol has been manufactured from 1935 to 1967 in approximately 500,000 pieces. Serial numbers from 400000 to around 950000. There are exemplary with the frame in alloy or with special finishes (engraved, gold plated, silver plated).
This pistol has been widely used from the Italian Army from 1935 to around 1960. In particular, this pistol has been used from Air force, Navy, Police, Rangers.
Today this pistol has value only for the collectors.
The value of this arm depends on the conditions and the period in which it has been manufactured. On the Italian market the value is about 400,000 Lit (about 250 USD). If the pistol has some particular punches, or if it is one of the first exemplary, or if it is a special arm, the value can arrive to about 1,000,000 Lit (about 600 USD).
I think that the quotations on the American market are quite similar.


No. 10

Q. Vorrei sapere qualche notizia sul "modello Berben", approntato per l'esportazione per il mercato U.S.A. Mi risulta che tale modello era identico al modello 100, ma con mire regolabili e con guancette in legno e in cal.7,65( 32 Browning ). (27/11/1998)

A. Nell'ambito di quelle armi che appartengono alla "serie 70" la Beretta mise a punto i modelli 73 e 74 , entrambi in calibro 22 L.R. , e che differiscono tra loro in quanto il modello 73 ha la tacca di mira fissa (sulla canna) ed il modello 74 la tacca di mira regolabile (sul castello) (entrambi i modelli differiscono dalla 71, 72 e 75 per il calcio di dimensioni maggiorate).
La Beretta mise a punto anche il modello 74A, che, conservando forma e dimensioni della 74, è però camerato in 7,65 Browning (32 ACP).
A questo punto compare il modello 100, che per quanto mi risulta, è assolutamente identico al modello 74A, salvo l'indicazione del modello e, sul lato anteriore sinistro del fusto, la scritta "BERBEN NY NY". (ndr anche la 74A ha la tacca di mira regolabile). Per quanto riguarda le guancette in legno od in materiale plastico, penso che sia un particolare assolutamente accessorio, e non sufficiente per identificare un nuovo modello.
A mio giudizio, dunque, il modello 100 è proprio quello che tu chiami, se ho ben compreso, il "modello BERBEN".
Ho avuto occasione di osservare anche una stranissima modello 100, in quanto fermo restando la struttura e le scritte, è dotata di un contrappeso identico a quello montato sul modello 76. In altre parole, l'effetto finale è quello di una 76 in calibro 7,65 Browning. Ho sempre avuto il dubbio se l'arma in questione, sia un prototipo Beretta, oppure, e sono più propenso verso questa seconda ipotesi, un esperimento di qualche ingegnoso artigiano.


No. 11

Q. I would like to find a source to buy extra magazines for the Model 951. Any source you could provide would be appreciated. (12/11/1998)

A. I think that you have already asked to a Beretta retailer.
I think that you have already tried on INTERNET.
I think that the only possibility is that one to try on the second-hand market.
Probably, in Italy, I could find the magazine.
But I think that you cannot, from the States, to find and to buy the magazine in Italy.
However I give you the address of an enough big Italian gun store that has some contact with the American market.
You can try to write or to phone ................................


No. 12

Q. Is the Beretta Model 100 32ACP sold in the U.S.A. ? (12/11/1998)

A. The Beretta Model 100 is a version of the Beretta Model 74A 32ACP.
The Beretta Model 100 was manufactured purposely for being sold on the American market.
The Beretta Model 100 was manufactured around the 1970's , approximately 30 years ago.
Today the Beretta Model 100 is not more on the Beretta price list.
I think that you can find the Beretta Model 100 on the second-hand market.


No. 13

Q. Need information on model 1923: Ammo requirements, parts availability, etc. Newly acquired handgun... would like any history you could give me on S/N 300252. Thanks a bunch! (12/26/1998)

A. The Beretta pistol Patent 1915-1919, Model 1923, caliber 9 mm GLISENTI, can be considered the prototype of many of the successive models of Beretta guns.
In particular model 1923 possesses many common characteristics with the models 1934 and 1935.
Models 1934 and 1935 are between most famous and popular models of Beretta guns.
Model 1923 was produced from 1923 to 1925 approximately. Production: approximately 10000 pieces. Serial numbers : from 300000 to 310500 approximately.
Therefore your gun (S/N 300252) is one of the first pistols of this model produced.
The main features of this blowbackaction handgun are the system of blocking of the barrel and the external hammer. Grips could be either of wood or of pressed-steel. On some of these guns it was possible to use the stock case. In this event we find two horizontal millings at the base of the stock. There are exemplars with special finishes, engraved and gold plated.
This gun did not meet the favour of people (only 10000 pieces produced). Small lots of this guns were sold the Argentine Police and the Italian Rangers. Approximately 3000 pieces were sold the Italian Army.
On rear left side of the frame we find the punch of the Brescia proofhouse. (This punch is constituted from a rampant lion inserted in a circle and surmounted from a crown). On the guns produced for Italian Army, on rear left side of the frame, we find the military Italian punch " R.E. " surmounted from a crown.
The model 1923 is not in compliance with the current standards of safety.
For this reason this handgun has value today only for the collectors. It is a pistol a lot searched and appreciated by collectors. A really very nice exemplar, with all the original parts, and the same serial numbers, it can cost (In Italy) about 1000 USD.
Today it is much difficult one to find replacement parts. As far as American market I think that the only possibility is to try through INTERNET. As far as Italian market I think that to find replacement parts for this arm is practically impossible.
If I had a gun of this model to repair I would make in this way:
- small pieces: they can be made from a good craftsman, equipped of the necessary equipment.
- larger pieces: taken from an other arm of the same model, arm used like warehouse of replacement parts.
The 9 mm GLISENTI ammunition has the same dimensions of 9 mm parabellum, but it would be very dangerous one to use the 9 mm parabellum ammunitions in your gun, model 1923. In fact, the power of 9 mm GLISENTI ammunition is considerably smaller, for being able to be used on handguns with blowbackaction ( 9 mm parabellum ammo demands a locked breech).
I have many doubts that you can find 9 mm GLISENTI ammunitions.
In any case I give the following advice to you:
first advice: do not fire with this handgun;
second advice: do not fire with this handgun;
third advice: do not fire with this handgun.
If, although my warnings, you want to reload this cartridge try to use a load 20% lower than 9 mm para ammo.
Use also lead bullets. When you fire use safety glasses.
You must accurately verify the fired cases.
You must verify that on the pistols there are not cracks.
You must verify that the hammer is O.K. (generally this is first part that is broken off).
The entire risk as to the reloading and firing is borne by you.
I have not reloaded this caliber and I have not fired with a model 1923 pistol.


No. 14

Q. I just bought a Beretta Model 98 (30 luger). Its in nice condition but no one around here has ever heard of this model. (12/26/1998)

A.The Beretta Pistol Model 98 F, caliber 30 luger (7,65 Parabellum) is a pistol produced in Italy in the years from 1985 to 1987, for the Italian market.
This model was constructed in approximately 5000 pieces.
As you will have seen, this gun is nearly the same of the model US M9 (in Italy 92 FS), with the exception of:
the caliber, 7.65 mm parabellum instead of 9 mm parabellum;
the lack of the safety block (head of the hammer pin), destined to avoid that, in the case of breach of the slide, the slide can exit outside from the rear of the gun.
This gun was produced in caliber 7.65 parabellum why, in Italy, the caliber 9 parabellum, in the semi-automatic guns, is not allowed.
It was an attempt in order to try if the military model 92 F met the favour of people. This model (98 F) obtained a great success; for this reason was planned the caliber 9 x 21 IMI and the 98F was constructed in such caliber (approximately 20000 pieces).
Subsequently, with the adoption of the safety block above described, the model 92 FS (US M9) was manufactured and it became the military standard.
Then the 98 FS in caliber 9 x 21 IMI was manufactured. It was equal, except that for the caliber, to the 92 FS (US M9). Still today all the model M9 sold in Italy are in caliber 9 x 21 IMI (98 FS).
On the frames's right side, close to the triggerguard, they would have to be the proofmarks of the proofhouse of Gardone Val Trompia and the year of the proof; in detail AN=1985 or AP=1986 or AS=1987. Model 98F, cal. 30 luger, is destined to become a gun searched from the collectors.

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